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From: | "Jason Roberts" <> |
---|---|
To: | "'Thomas Moore'" <> |
Cc: | <> |
Subject: | RE: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8 alpha 4 (for Python 2.5) |
Date: | Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:54:25 -0500 |
TJ,
Thanks very much for providing this valuable info! I believe I can fix this
problem in the installer code, one way or another. Interested parties should
follow http://code.env.duke.edu/projects/mget/ticket/401 for more
information.
You should be good to go now with MGET. Let us know if there's anything else
we can help with.
Best,
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Moore
[mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:12 PM
To: Jason Roberts
Cc:
Subject: Re: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8 alpha
4 (for Python 2.5)
Jason:
I performed the test using the two different installation approaches
with Vista. The solution is to use "Run as Administrator" in the
installation process. Thanks. It is a smooth install from there and
all files are located where you would expect them to be on both the C:
and D: drives (D: drive in my case because Python is installed there).
So, even though you might have a user account that is set up for local
admin/admin group, it does make a difference to use "Run as
Administrator." I thought I did use that approach initially, but
apparently not.
Thanks again,
TJ
T.J. Moore
NOAA Fisheries
Southwest Fisheries Science Center
Protected Resources Division
8604 La Jolla Shores Dr.
La Jolla, CA 92037
T:858-546-7088
F:858-546-7003
Email:
URL: http://swfsc.noaa.gov
Jason Roberts wrote:
> TJ,
>
> Thanks very much for offering to help me get to the bottom of this.
>
>
>> So, when logged in to my local admin account I see the MGET toolbox in
>> ArcGIS, and it appears to work (I tested a routine or two). However, I
>> don't see GeoEco showing up in the Control Panel!
>>
>
> In order for it to show up in the list, the installer must be able to
write
> to certain parts of the Windows registry. We saw with your original error
> messages how the installer could not complete the COM registration step
due
> to a denial of access to the registry. I think the same thing is happening
> here.
>
> Basically, Vista includes this additional security measure that local
admins
> are no longer permitted to write to certain parts of the registry unless
> specific steps are taken. I think this was to protect people from viruses
> that come in email and from IE bugs. You're supposed to receive a prompt
> asking if you want to permit the operation. But for some reason, the
Python
> 2.5 installer code does not result in this. It is like Vista silently
denies
> access.
>
>
>> I see a program called RemoveGeoEco.exe in the Python25
>> folder. I'm tempted to run that, but want to check with you.
>>
>
> Yes, I think you can run that. You should use a command line similar to
the
> following:
>
> "C:\Python25\RemoveGeoEco.exe" -u "C:\Python25\GeoEco-wininst.log"
>
> Of course, you should replace the C:\Python25 with the appropriate path.
>
> Do you currently have the GeoEco-wininst.log there? If so, could you send
it
> to me? This log is not always generated, but when it is, sometimes it has
> useful information. I should have asked for it in the first place. Please
> send it *before* trying the uninstallation.
>
>
>> Also, when logged in under another account that is not an admin account,
>> I don't see the MGET toolbox in ArcGIS.
>>
>
> This is because the installer only adds the toolbox to ArcGIS for the user
> who ran the installer. It is this way because the installer must start up
> ArcCatalog just to add the toolbox. Starting ArcCatalog typically takes 15
> to 60 seconds, depending on the machine and the license configuration. I
> considered designing the installer to loop through all the users on the
> machine. But at 15 to 60 seconds per user, the installer would take
forever
> on certain machines. Plus, the ArcCatalog process must be started under
each
> user's account, which is very complicated security-wise. I decided it
wasn't
> worth it. (Now, if only ESRI would not have such a complicated way of
adding
> toolboxes to ArcCatalog...)
>
>
>> However, I can "Add Toolbox"
>> and go to the location on the D drive where the .tbx file is and then
>> add it.
>>
>
> That is the right thing to do. But the .tbx file actually appears in two
> places: the C:\Python\Lib\site-packages\GeoEco\ArcGISToolbox directory (or
> D:\Python25 or whatever) and the C:\Program Files\GeoEco\ArcGISToolbox
> directory. I highly recommend you use the .tbx from the second place. It
is
> identical to the one in the first place (the one for Arc 9.3 in your case)
> but, by using the second place, any models you build that include MGET
tools
> are more likely to be easily portable to other machines.
>
> ArcGIS has this unfortunate design that the models store the path to the
> toolbox .tbx file. Because Python is often installed to other drives and
> directories, as in your case, it means having the .tbx there (as was done
in
> MGET 0.6 and earlier) is not very reliable. Although it is possible to
> change the Program Files directory from C:\Program Files to some other
> place, most people do not do that because it causes problems with many
> programs. Thus C:\Program Files is the more reliable choice.
>
>
>> It wouldn't take much effort to test this. Let
>> me know if I should use RemoveGeoEco.exe to uninstall and I'll go from
>> there.
>>
>
> If you could test this out, I would really appreciate it. Basically, we're
> trying to find the condition that consistently causes the failure and the
> minimum things we need to do to make it go away. My operative theory is
> that, when Windows UAC is enabled (as it is for all people who have not
> specifically turned it off), you will get this error unless you do Run As
> Administrator. If you could confirm or refute this theory, it would be
> really helpful!
>
> Best,
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Moore
> [mailto:]
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:24 PM
> To: Jason Roberts
> Cc:
>
> Subject: Re: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8
alpha
> 4 (for Python 2.5)
>
> Jason:
>
> Thanks for your follow up.
>
> Just a point of clarification and additional info. My version of Python
> is 2.5.1. Also, ArcGIS happened to install Python on the D drive for
> some reason.
>
> So, when logged in to my local admin account I see the MGET toolbox in
> ArcGIS, and it appears to work (I tested a routine or two). However, I
> don't see GeoEco showing up in the Control Panel! Maybe because it is
> installed on the D drive? In this situation, how would you uninstall
> GeoEco? I see a program called RemoveGeoEco.exe in the Python25
> folder. I'm tempted to run that, but want to check with you.
>
> Also, when logged in under another account that is not an admin account,
> I don't see the MGET toolbox in ArcGIS. However, I can "Add Toolbox"
> and go to the location on the D drive where the .tbx file is and then
> add it. It works. So, just an FYI.
>
> I believe I used "Run as Administrator" but can't be sure. I'm new to
> Vista and just started to realize this after installing software on a
> new machine recently. It wouldn't take much effort to test this. Let
> me know if I should use RemoveGeoEco.exe to uninstall and I'll go from
> there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> T.J. Moore
> NOAA Fisheries
> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
> Protected Resources Division
> 8604 La Jolla Shores Dr.
> La Jolla, CA 92037
> T:858-546-7088
> F:858-546-7003
> Email:
>
> URL: http://swfsc.noaa.gov
>
>
>
> Jason Roberts wrote:
>
>> Hi TJ,
>>
>> Thank you very much for contacting us about this, and for providing the
>> detailed information. I have seen evidence of this in the installation
>> reports that we receive automatically, but there is not enough
information
>> in them to diagnose the problem, so I've had trouble nailing it. My
>>
> current
>
>> suspicion is that this has something to do with Windows User Account
>>
> Control
>
>> (UAC) or the other security changes that went into Windows Vista.
>>
>> The messages you are seeing indicate that MGET had trouble registering
>> itself with the Microsoft Component Object Model (COM) system. As a
>>
> result,
>
>> you will not be able to run MGET tools from programming languages other
>>
> than
>
>> Python. But this does not affect ArcGIS; you should still be able to run
>> MGET from ArcGIS just fine. Therefore, unless you plant to write some
>> programs, you don't have anything to worry about.
>>
>> I have one question and one favor to ask, if it's not too much trouble:
>>
>> The question: When you installed it, did you save the downloaded
>> installation program some place, right click on it, and select Run As
>> Administrator? Starting with Windows Vista, this is effectively the "no,
>> really, I DO MEAN IT" command when it comes to installing things. I think
>> the Python 2.5 installation code, written before Vista was released, is
>>
> not
>
>> aware of some of the additional security impositions that occur even when
>> the user's account is part of the Administrators group. In order to get
>>
> full
>
>> administrator access like you had on Windows XP, you have use Run As
>> Administrator.
>>
>> The favor: Assuming the answer to the above is no, could you please try
>>
> the
>
>> following:
>>
>> 1. Shut down all ArcGIS apps.
>>
>> 2. Uninstall MGET (start Control Panel, switch to Classic View, open
>> Programs and Features, find Python 2.5 GeoEco-0.8a4 and remove it).
>>
>> 3. Install MGET again the *exact same way* as last time, i.e. without
>>
> using
>
>> Run As Administrator, and verify that the problem reproduces.
>>
>> 4. Uninstall MGET again.
>>
>> 5. Now install it but use Run As Administrator.
>>
>> Let me know if you could repro it in step 3 but not in step 5.
>>
>> If this is too much of a hassle, please don't worry about it. I can
>> eventually get access to a Vista machine to try this on. (I have one
>> already, but it is not in a good state...)
>>
>> If this *is* the problem, I'm pretty sure I can develop a test for it, so
>> the installer will warn you prior to starting that you have not done Run
>>
> As
>
>> Administrator and gives instructions on how to do it.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Moore
>> [mailto:]
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:02 PM
>> To:
>>
>> Subject: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8 alpha 4
>> (for Python 2.5)
>>
>> Installing this file: GeoEco-0.8a4.win32-py2.5.exe
>>
>> System: Windows Vista OS (64-bit machine)
>> ESRI: ArcGIS 9.3.1 SP 1 (Build 3500)
>> Python: Python 2.5
>>
>> I get the following two messages:
>>
>> "The MGET setup program was unable to register one or more classes from
>> the Python GeoEco package as COM Automation classes. As a result, you
>> will not be able to invoke these GeoEco classes from programming
>> languages other than Python via COM Automation (i.e., the IDispatch COM
>> Interface). This problem is rate and unexpected. Please contact the
>> MGET development team for help with resolving it. Please provide the
>> following debugging info:
>>
>> The Python win32.com.server.register.RegisterServer function raised
>> error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.')"
>>
>> "The MGET setup program was unable to register one or more classes from
>> the Python GeoEco package as COM Automation classes. As a result, you
>> will not be able to invoke these GeoEco classes from programming
>> languages other than Python via COM Automation (i.e., the IDispatch COM
>> Interface). This problem is rate and unexpected. Please contact the
>> MGET development team for help with resolving it. Please provide the
>> following debugging info:
>>
>> python.com.RegisterTypeLib (tli,
>> 'D:\Python25\lib\site-packages\GeoEco\COM\GeoEco.tlb') reported:
>> com_error: (-2147319780, 'Error accessing the OLE registry.', None,
None)"
>>
>> The software seems to have installed correctly otherwise and I recall
>> testing an MGET function so I believe parts of it are working OK. It's
>> not critical, but just an FYI.
>>
>> By the way, I installed the software as local administrator.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Thanks very much for providing this valuable info! I believe I can fix this
problem in the installer code, one way or another. Interested parties should
follow http://code.env.duke.edu/projects/mget/ticket/401 for more
information.
You should be good to go now with MGET. Let us know if there's anything else
we can help with.
Best,
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Moore
[mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:12 PM
To: Jason Roberts
Cc:
Subject: Re: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8 alpha
4 (for Python 2.5)
Jason:
I performed the test using the two different installation approaches
with Vista. The solution is to use "Run as Administrator" in the
installation process. Thanks. It is a smooth install from there and
all files are located where you would expect them to be on both the C:
and D: drives (D: drive in my case because Python is installed there).
So, even though you might have a user account that is set up for local
admin/admin group, it does make a difference to use "Run as
Administrator." I thought I did use that approach initially, but
apparently not.
Thanks again,
TJ
T.J. Moore
NOAA Fisheries
Southwest Fisheries Science Center
Protected Resources Division
8604 La Jolla Shores Dr.
La Jolla, CA 92037
T:858-546-7088
F:858-546-7003
Email:
URL: http://swfsc.noaa.gov
Jason Roberts wrote:
> TJ,
>
> Thanks very much for offering to help me get to the bottom of this.
>
>
>> So, when logged in to my local admin account I see the MGET toolbox in
>> ArcGIS, and it appears to work (I tested a routine or two). However, I
>> don't see GeoEco showing up in the Control Panel!
>>
>
> In order for it to show up in the list, the installer must be able to
write
> to certain parts of the Windows registry. We saw with your original error
> messages how the installer could not complete the COM registration step
due
> to a denial of access to the registry. I think the same thing is happening
> here.
>
> Basically, Vista includes this additional security measure that local
admins
> are no longer permitted to write to certain parts of the registry unless
> specific steps are taken. I think this was to protect people from viruses
> that come in email and from IE bugs. You're supposed to receive a prompt
> asking if you want to permit the operation. But for some reason, the
Python
> 2.5 installer code does not result in this. It is like Vista silently
denies
> access.
>
>
>> I see a program called RemoveGeoEco.exe in the Python25
>> folder. I'm tempted to run that, but want to check with you.
>>
>
> Yes, I think you can run that. You should use a command line similar to
the
> following:
>
> "C:\Python25\RemoveGeoEco.exe" -u "C:\Python25\GeoEco-wininst.log"
>
> Of course, you should replace the C:\Python25 with the appropriate path.
>
> Do you currently have the GeoEco-wininst.log there? If so, could you send
it
> to me? This log is not always generated, but when it is, sometimes it has
> useful information. I should have asked for it in the first place. Please
> send it *before* trying the uninstallation.
>
>
>> Also, when logged in under another account that is not an admin account,
>> I don't see the MGET toolbox in ArcGIS.
>>
>
> This is because the installer only adds the toolbox to ArcGIS for the user
> who ran the installer. It is this way because the installer must start up
> ArcCatalog just to add the toolbox. Starting ArcCatalog typically takes 15
> to 60 seconds, depending on the machine and the license configuration. I
> considered designing the installer to loop through all the users on the
> machine. But at 15 to 60 seconds per user, the installer would take
forever
> on certain machines. Plus, the ArcCatalog process must be started under
each
> user's account, which is very complicated security-wise. I decided it
wasn't
> worth it. (Now, if only ESRI would not have such a complicated way of
adding
> toolboxes to ArcCatalog...)
>
>
>> However, I can "Add Toolbox"
>> and go to the location on the D drive where the .tbx file is and then
>> add it.
>>
>
> That is the right thing to do. But the .tbx file actually appears in two
> places: the C:\Python\Lib\site-packages\GeoEco\ArcGISToolbox directory (or
> D:\Python25 or whatever) and the C:\Program Files\GeoEco\ArcGISToolbox
> directory. I highly recommend you use the .tbx from the second place. It
is
> identical to the one in the first place (the one for Arc 9.3 in your case)
> but, by using the second place, any models you build that include MGET
tools
> are more likely to be easily portable to other machines.
>
> ArcGIS has this unfortunate design that the models store the path to the
> toolbox .tbx file. Because Python is often installed to other drives and
> directories, as in your case, it means having the .tbx there (as was done
in
> MGET 0.6 and earlier) is not very reliable. Although it is possible to
> change the Program Files directory from C:\Program Files to some other
> place, most people do not do that because it causes problems with many
> programs. Thus C:\Program Files is the more reliable choice.
>
>
>> It wouldn't take much effort to test this. Let
>> me know if I should use RemoveGeoEco.exe to uninstall and I'll go from
>> there.
>>
>
> If you could test this out, I would really appreciate it. Basically, we're
> trying to find the condition that consistently causes the failure and the
> minimum things we need to do to make it go away. My operative theory is
> that, when Windows UAC is enabled (as it is for all people who have not
> specifically turned it off), you will get this error unless you do Run As
> Administrator. If you could confirm or refute this theory, it would be
> really helpful!
>
> Best,
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Moore
> [mailto:]
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:24 PM
> To: Jason Roberts
> Cc:
>
> Subject: Re: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8
alpha
> 4 (for Python 2.5)
>
> Jason:
>
> Thanks for your follow up.
>
> Just a point of clarification and additional info. My version of Python
> is 2.5.1. Also, ArcGIS happened to install Python on the D drive for
> some reason.
>
> So, when logged in to my local admin account I see the MGET toolbox in
> ArcGIS, and it appears to work (I tested a routine or two). However, I
> don't see GeoEco showing up in the Control Panel! Maybe because it is
> installed on the D drive? In this situation, how would you uninstall
> GeoEco? I see a program called RemoveGeoEco.exe in the Python25
> folder. I'm tempted to run that, but want to check with you.
>
> Also, when logged in under another account that is not an admin account,
> I don't see the MGET toolbox in ArcGIS. However, I can "Add Toolbox"
> and go to the location on the D drive where the .tbx file is and then
> add it. It works. So, just an FYI.
>
> I believe I used "Run as Administrator" but can't be sure. I'm new to
> Vista and just started to realize this after installing software on a
> new machine recently. It wouldn't take much effort to test this. Let
> me know if I should use RemoveGeoEco.exe to uninstall and I'll go from
> there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> T.J. Moore
> NOAA Fisheries
> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
> Protected Resources Division
> 8604 La Jolla Shores Dr.
> La Jolla, CA 92037
> T:858-546-7088
> F:858-546-7003
> Email:
>
> URL: http://swfsc.noaa.gov
>
>
>
> Jason Roberts wrote:
>
>> Hi TJ,
>>
>> Thank you very much for contacting us about this, and for providing the
>> detailed information. I have seen evidence of this in the installation
>> reports that we receive automatically, but there is not enough
information
>> in them to diagnose the problem, so I've had trouble nailing it. My
>>
> current
>
>> suspicion is that this has something to do with Windows User Account
>>
> Control
>
>> (UAC) or the other security changes that went into Windows Vista.
>>
>> The messages you are seeing indicate that MGET had trouble registering
>> itself with the Microsoft Component Object Model (COM) system. As a
>>
> result,
>
>> you will not be able to run MGET tools from programming languages other
>>
> than
>
>> Python. But this does not affect ArcGIS; you should still be able to run
>> MGET from ArcGIS just fine. Therefore, unless you plant to write some
>> programs, you don't have anything to worry about.
>>
>> I have one question and one favor to ask, if it's not too much trouble:
>>
>> The question: When you installed it, did you save the downloaded
>> installation program some place, right click on it, and select Run As
>> Administrator? Starting with Windows Vista, this is effectively the "no,
>> really, I DO MEAN IT" command when it comes to installing things. I think
>> the Python 2.5 installation code, written before Vista was released, is
>>
> not
>
>> aware of some of the additional security impositions that occur even when
>> the user's account is part of the Administrators group. In order to get
>>
> full
>
>> administrator access like you had on Windows XP, you have use Run As
>> Administrator.
>>
>> The favor: Assuming the answer to the above is no, could you please try
>>
> the
>
>> following:
>>
>> 1. Shut down all ArcGIS apps.
>>
>> 2. Uninstall MGET (start Control Panel, switch to Classic View, open
>> Programs and Features, find Python 2.5 GeoEco-0.8a4 and remove it).
>>
>> 3. Install MGET again the *exact same way* as last time, i.e. without
>>
> using
>
>> Run As Administrator, and verify that the problem reproduces.
>>
>> 4. Uninstall MGET again.
>>
>> 5. Now install it but use Run As Administrator.
>>
>> Let me know if you could repro it in step 3 but not in step 5.
>>
>> If this is too much of a hassle, please don't worry about it. I can
>> eventually get access to a Vista machine to try this on. (I have one
>> already, but it is not in a good state...)
>>
>> If this *is* the problem, I'm pretty sure I can develop a test for it, so
>> the installer will warn you prior to starting that you have not done Run
>>
> As
>
>> Administrator and gives instructions on how to do it.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Moore
>> [mailto:]
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:02 PM
>> To:
>>
>> Subject: [mget-help] Error Messages with Installation of MGET 0.8 alpha 4
>> (for Python 2.5)
>>
>> Installing this file: GeoEco-0.8a4.win32-py2.5.exe
>>
>> System: Windows Vista OS (64-bit machine)
>> ESRI: ArcGIS 9.3.1 SP 1 (Build 3500)
>> Python: Python 2.5
>>
>> I get the following two messages:
>>
>> "The MGET setup program was unable to register one or more classes from
>> the Python GeoEco package as COM Automation classes. As a result, you
>> will not be able to invoke these GeoEco classes from programming
>> languages other than Python via COM Automation (i.e., the IDispatch COM
>> Interface). This problem is rate and unexpected. Please contact the
>> MGET development team for help with resolving it. Please provide the
>> following debugging info:
>>
>> The Python win32.com.server.register.RegisterServer function raised
>> error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.')"
>>
>> "The MGET setup program was unable to register one or more classes from
>> the Python GeoEco package as COM Automation classes. As a result, you
>> will not be able to invoke these GeoEco classes from programming
>> languages other than Python via COM Automation (i.e., the IDispatch COM
>> Interface). This problem is rate and unexpected. Please contact the
>> MGET development team for help with resolving it. Please provide the
>> following debugging info:
>>
>> python.com.RegisterTypeLib (tli,
>> 'D:\Python25\lib\site-packages\GeoEco\COM\GeoEco.tlb') reported:
>> com_error: (-2147319780, 'Error accessing the OLE registry.', None,
None)"
>>
>> The software seems to have installed correctly otherwise and I recall
>> testing an MGET function so I believe parts of it are working OK. It's
>> not critical, but just an FYI.
>>
>> By the way, I installed the software as local administrator.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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